I’m NOT Immune Or Resistant To HIV
24 February 2011 | 21 Comments
For a while now I’ve wondered if I was immune or resistent to HIV. And if I was either, I thought it wasn’t exactly “right” to be advocating bareback sex and encouraging others to take risks when I wasn’t taking all that much risk myself. Well, that’s not the case. I got a comprehensive genetic profile done at 23andme.com and I’m just as much at risk as the rest of you…
CCR5 Mutation & Resistance/Immunity to HIV
The most well known genetic mutation that’s related to HIV is CCR5. If you have one mutation (“DI” below) you’re considered “resistant”, if you have a double mutation (“DD” below) you’re “immune”. These mutations are apparently the result of your ancestors surviving Small Pox epidemics hundreds of years ago. Apparently, 10% of people of European ancestry are DI and 1% are DD.
The table below uses more strict definitions of “resistant” and doesn’t use “immune” at all. What people typically call “immune” just means immune from most forms of HIV, not all – total immunity doesn’t exist. 23AndMe calls that “resistant”. And what people typically call “resistant” just means HIV has to work harder to infect you because it has fewer places to attach to in your body. If you’re DI (single mutation), then HIV also can’t replicate as easily and you’ll naturally have a lower viral load if you get infected and that means you’re more likely to be a long-term survivor.
As you can see I’m “II” which means I’m not immune or resistant. I’m just as susceptible to HIV as most people. Which means the only reason I’ve stayed neg this long is because I’m a top and tops are at much lower risk than bottoms.
Honestly I was sorta hoping for DI – a single mutation. I thought it would be asking too much to be fully immune, but I would have been completely happy being a long-term non-progressor. I’m not a big fan of pharmaceuticals. They do great things and I take them when I must, but I’d rather not take them if I have the option. If I had been DI that would have let me stay off meds for many years after becoming poz.
The other thing is I’ve always seemed to be “top 10%” in a lot of things in life – at least the ones I cared about. But genetics isn’t very forgiving in that respect. You can’t work hard and achieve a better genetic profile. You just are what you are. In this respect I’m not top 10% – I’m just average. It was actually a bit of a bummer to find that out.
“Controller” of HIV & Disease Progression
One thing I found out from the genetic test is that there are more genes than CCR5 that affect HIV. There are others control whether your body is naturally able to control your viral load. The first controller genome is rs5968255, but I’ll gloss over it here because it only seems to benefit women – there’s no correlation for men.
Emerging research which was published in Science in November of last year, says there are two other genomes that affect whether your body can control HIV once you’re infected – rs9264942 and rs2523608 (boring names, I know…) – rs9264942 is related to HIV control in people of European ancestry, rs2523608 is related to HIV control in African-Americans.
For people of European descent every “C” in rs9264942 makes you 2.9 times more likely to be a “controller”. I’m “CT” so that means I’m 2.9 times more likely to be able to control HIV than an average person. If I had been CC I would have been 8.4 times more likely to be able to control HIV than the average person. It doesn’t mean I’ll be able to control HIV viral loads – it’s statistics – I’m just more likely to be able to control HIV. Given that I didn’t have a CCR5 mutation, I’ll take any good news I can get.
Unfortunately, rs2523608 isn’t one of the 900,000+ genomes 23AndMe maps. So if you’re black, getting the 23AndMe test done won’t tell you anything about your ability to control HIV. However, if you do find a way to get the results, each G makes you 2.6 times more likely to be an HIV controller. I have a black poz fuck bud who swears he’s undetectable despite not taking his meds – all I can think is that he must be GG on rs2523608.
I also don’t see any discussion on 23AndMe of the gene that’s supposed to make blacks 40% more likely to catch HIV.
So what does all of this mean?
For me it means I’m just as much at risk as most of you, but the silver lining is there’s a chance my body might be able to control HIV if I become poz – but that chance is far from a guarantee.
If you’re one of the “worried well” who are neg but feel drawn to barebacking you might want to get the test to understand your risks better. If you’re DD on CCR5 then you can sorta relax – your risk is truly minimal. If you’re DI on CCR5, or CC on rs9264942, or GG on rs2523608 then if you become poz then chances are being poz won’t be a huge problem and you’ll do fine with no or minimal medication. If you just have one C on rs9264942 (like me) then at least you’re “above average”. But in all those scenarios there are no guarantees. There are forms of HIV that can even get around a DD CCR5 mutation.
If you’re already poz you may want to get the test to understand whether your body can possibly fight HIV on it’s own. A lot of doctors rush poz guys onto meds immediately after infection. If you’re DI on CCR5, or CC on rs9264942, or GG on rs2523608 then that was probably a bad decision on the part of your doctor. In those cases the doctor should wait and see if your body can control HIV naturally. For those people the drugs you take may do worse things to your body than HIV. Now, if you stayed off meds for a while and it was clear your body couldn’t control HIV, then taking the tests is probably pointless – you already know your body’s response to HIV.
I’m a huge believer in data – the more you know the better decisions you can make. If you’re interested in getting a test from 23AndMe, realize they run sales. I got mine for $99 (for the test) + $65 (for a 1 year web membership) + shipping – so about $170. The prices are about $100 higher now.
Other results from the genetic tests…
The test is about a lot more than HIV. 23AndMe maps over 900,000 genomes. I was really glad I did the test because I found out I’ve got a 37% chance of prostate cancer. I’ve got 4 sisters and no brothers. My dad had 5 sisters and no brothers and my mom only had 1 brother (that survived to adulthood). So there aren’t enough men in my family for me to know I was at risk of prostate cancer. Now I know I have to get tested regularly for it.
I should mention that 23AndMe is backed by Google and some really big names in biotech. They’re definitely a reputable company. However, certain states (including New York) have outlawed direct-to-consumer genetic profiling. Their thinking is that these tests should only be performed and interpreted by doctors. As a result I wasn’t able to use the test kit in New York – I took it with me on a trip to Philadelphia, spit into the test tube and mailed it there. So if you’re in NYC and want to do this, realize that at a minimum you need to take a ride on the PATH over to Jersey to take and mail the test.
Honestly, I can sorta see why some people don’t want consumers interpreting genetic tests. For example, I have a much higher risk of Celiac Disease than the average person – I’m 6.55 times more likely to get it. However, even at that much higher risk, there’s still less than a 1% chance that I’ll get Celiac Disease. If I didn’t have a background in statistics I might misinterpret that result and start worrying about Celiac Disease. As it is, I haven’t even looked it up to figure out what it is.
Thank You for this. I think we all have known about this genetic advantage and I think a lot of us were counting on it. It’s so important that we all have the facts, that we are all informed. You have done a really good job in your blog of giving us real information instead of histerical ranting. You’ve also been good at getting us all horned-up for taking some loads from you or your fellow tops. Nice ballance, well done.
Interesting article, I was just chatting with an Irish yng guy and he has not pozzed yet. He had been told Irish has the certain genes that don’t poz easy. I have Celiac Disease and poz here. Neat article.
I believe Celiac Disease is a an allergy to wheat that causes a great deal of abdominal pain and other nasty side effects.
Very interesting post, thanks for sharing. But can you tell us when the last time you were tested?
Dude, bottom line is you should NOT be advocating BB sex for anyone!! If you want to do it…fine! But to encourage or make it seem sexy to have raw sex is just wrong.
I’ve been barebacking for years, and have fooled around with a few poz guys. I took the 23andme test last year and found out I am DI. I kinda figured I might be at least a DI because I had other medical tests done a few years ago and they said some of my genetics are the result of past epidemics but I didn’t really get into discussing those comments with my doctors.
I highly recommend 23andme, it can be expensive but they sometimes have sales.
Raw sex is sexy. That’s why hiv spreads.
You meet fall in lust, get caught up in the moment, and there you are with a hard dick plowing and breeding your ass.
You want it, you don’t want hiv, you want him, you want his load, you take it. Then when the moment is over… regret remorse… testing…
and repeat.
May not be HIV immune but you also suck at updating your blog.
this was very informative but lordy update your blog already
Raw Top what is your deal, seems like you disappeared or non-existence.
hey what’s your handle on bbrt?
Around 6 months ago I gave in and had bareback sex with an acquaintance. A few days afterward I contracted gonorrhea and went to see my doctor. He then suggested I get tested for HIV. Due to the laissez-faire attitudes concerning the contraction of HIV prevalent on the internet, including the ones promoted on this blog, I hadn’t given a great deal of thought to my possibly being infected. The person I had unprotected sex with then contracted me to inform me he had been tested and was HIV positive. The time I had to wait for my results were easily the worst 3 months of my life, filled with anguish and regret, worrying about how I would never EASILY be able to have flippant sexual relations, or serious relationships, with HIV- people. Rawtop has decided to devote his life to sex, but sex, as he has admitted in the posting above, isn’t everything. Without passing judgment on people who decide to engage in bareback sex, I find it perverse that Rawtop goes further and lends his life to actively promoting bb sex, including among young people, to satisfy his own selfish whims. I wouldn’t be so stupid as to blame this website for my own stupid mistake, but I think Rawtop, who is clearly an aware and intelligent person, has to take more responsibility for the effect he has on prolonging a virus which is very far from a picnic. I love the idea of bareback sex, but I would just like to offer a warning about how sex ISN’T everything, and to think about the hospital waiting rooms, the social interactions telling every potential sexual partner you have HIV, your sister being worried in case you bleed near her children…before you hedonistically jump into a bareback encounter.
well from someone who contracted HIV from safer sex with condoms i think any kind of sex has its dangers, and be prepared for the consequences. For you all to be judging someone for writing their opinion (which you all read through) is stupid. take what was written and use it or leave it, just learn something from it. I learned a lot from reading it and became informed on the “immune” few. what people do with their bodies is their issue,respect that. if you dont care for bb sex because it spreads HIV, well all sexual activities can spread it, then so everyone is just left with their hand(s). just make a choice to get tested often and let your partner know your status before you have sex is my opinion.
Nicholas is right on! Rawtop, your ego prevents you from seeing the truth! You are outright nasty to those who question your promotion of bb sex! The e-mail you once sent to me was vile! Nicholas is right.
Do you not have a response? I would be interested to discuss this further.
Jeez, the level of unquestioning faith in medical scientists here is just staggering. May I point out to you the Padian study, which followed discordant couples (ie, one person in each couple diagnosed HIV+, one person diagnosed HIV negative) for a total of 282 couple-years. During the study condom use was intermittent, but at the end, NOT ONE of the HIV-negative-diagnosed couples had become diagnosed HIV positive. Not one. That is far from the only study, studies of prostitutes have identified the same thing – that it’s not unprotected sex that is the risk factor for a positive diagnosis, it’s drug use among prostitutes. And no, condom use among the prostitutes studied is invariably described as ‘intermittent’, ‘sporadic at best’ or ‘disappointing’, so it’s not that either.
With the amount of bare-back sex in the porn industry alone, yet such a tiny number of performers being diagnosed HIV+, surely that should cause people to start thinking about the statistics of the situation? Do some research people, it’s unquestioning faith of authority that causes the problem. Scientists in practice behave no differently from priests in that matter. And have I walked my talk? Yes.
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@Nicholas, I was just wondering if you live in DC, but previously in WV? Just wondering if I know you…. sometimes, I think that all of my friends have a BB interest like myself…
Mike @ 18. you Got it! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is going on here?!? why is it just about EVERY so-called HIV+ who progresses to AIDS is malnourished, on the drugs, using illicit drugs and etc?
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